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Livingston: In the third year, you were just doing this work to earn some extra
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Lazaridis: It was that, and there was also some very interesting work going on
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at the university. In university I was working on some new languages that were sort of the beginnings of what became Java. The whole virtual machine. I m drawing a difficult parallel, but I was working on something called STOIC. It was an interpretive language that we were getting working on various microcomputers at the time. In fact, we ended up buying one of those computers when the university put it up for surplus. Apparently, it had broken, and I remembered that computer system because we were using it in our engineering class. We were doing all our assignments on that one computer. I put a bid in and I got it for I can t remember now, but it would have been $400 or $600, because it didn t work. I took it back to our office it was massive and took it apart, and, as I powered it up part by part, I realized that the power supply had broken. Once we fixed the power supply, the computer just came right up. So we did our big contract on that computer.
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Livingston: How did you land these contracts as a young undergrad Lazaridis: When you have access to state-of-the-art education, and you know
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how to use these machines and you are comfortable with them you just have to make that one leap to realize that you can actually help people. There is a need for that kind of experience, but the problem was that a lot of these companies didn t know they had that need. It was just a matter of breaking out of
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your shell and going out and talking to them looking in the newspapers, looking in local message boards, talking to different companies, asking if they needed any work done. Basically, you had to do a little bit of sales. But what was interesting was that, in every case, you were able to bring this experience to bear on a tricky problem that had been there for a while and that you found that you could solve it very elegantly and quickly using what you d learned. That s how we got these projects with General Motors and the National Film Board and Kodak, which eventually led to the Emmy Award and the Technical Oscar. When you go back, you realize that the exposure you had in high school and in university was actually preparing you for a decade and two decades out. We need to make sure that we are allowing students to be exposed to future technology and not reducing it to current what a lot of people would like to say, relevant teaching. What s relevant teaching What s relevant research When I was at university, if you went in and started looking at what we were doing, you would say, Why don t you guys get a life and do something relevant What is this stuff Nobody s going to use this. When we were there, that s what people were thinking. How many people are going to have a computer in their house What is this networking stuff You are talking about science fiction; you re not talking about important things. Why don t you do something important Important back then became obsolete very quickly after we left university.
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Livingston: Was Doug part of the consulting business Lazaridis: Doug was at University of Windsor, and we collaborated. It wasn t
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until I decided to start RIM that I called Doug up and told him what I wanted to do and I needed his help. He was up within 2 weeks of that call.
Livingston: Did you have to tell your parents you weren t finishing school Lazaridis: Oh yeah. But what was actually harder was having to go to the pres-
ident of the university and ask for a leave of absence. I had never met him before. It was quite interesting because he apologized for having to try to dissuade me from it. After he finished his speech, he wished me the best of luck and shook my hand with a big smile. I remembered that and, ironically, 20 years later he s one of RIM s board members.
Livingston: So you start RIM, and you have a $600,000 contract with General Motors. What were you doing Lazaridis: One of the things we did was that we listened to what General
Motors was trying to accomplish. The RFP had been out for over 2 years. We got a copy of it and looked at it, and we recognized a couple things in there that you couldn t do without some of the state-of-the-art techniques that we d learned at university. One was that it was begging for a local area network. So we had to create one, based on what we remembered. I went back and talked to some of the teachers there and looked at some of the research that was being done. We had to develop that LAN from scratch, but we had to also make sure that it was very rugged, because it had to be used
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