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Ken Thompson typing, I would have done when I had the chance. I would have taken some deeper math because certainly I ve run across things where I have to get help for math. So yeah, there are little things like that. But if I went back and had to do it over I m sure that I just wouldn t have it in me to do anything differently. Basically I planned nothing and I just took the next step. And if I had to do it over again, I d just have taken the next step again. Seibel: After school you got hired directly into the Bell Labs; how did that happen It doesn t sound like you were a classical academic researcher at that point in your career. Thompson: I just drifted. It was hard to describe. I certainly wasn t in school in any real sense. In the formal sense, yes, I was. One of my professors, who is actually a very good friend, sicced the Bell Labs recruiter on me. But I wasn t looking for a job. In fact, I had absolutely no ambitions; nothing. And he made me appointments to see him in his little recruiting booth, and I either slept through them or told him I wasn t interested. And he kept after me. At some point he called me and said that he wanted to come over and see me. So he came over to my apartment. And said that he wanted me to come out and interview at Bell Labs. I told him no. And he said, It s a free trip. You can do what you want to out there. And I say, Well, up front I ll just tell you that I m not interested in a job. I ll be glad to go for a free trip cause I have friends on the East Coast. I ll go visit them. And he says, Fine. So that was the interview that I got into. And I went and spent my two days at Bell Labs and then rented a car and went up and down the East Coast visiting my high-school friends that were spread out all over everywhere. Seibel: Obviously there was something that the folks at Bell Labs saw in you and said, We should get this guy into our lab. Thompson: I don t know their side of it. My side of it is that these are people that I was reading the papers of in the classes I was taking/teaching. And I knew them by name and reputation. And they were still doing fun things. To me, work was work and these guys weren t working. They were having a good time. Just like school. Seibel: And so what kind of things did you do when you first arrived there
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